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{{Project
{{Project
|Name=Electricity overhaul
|Name=Electricity overhaul
|Participants= r3boot zarya Rubberduck
|Participants= r3boot Rubberduck septillion
|Status=Planning
|Status=In progress
|Niche=Electronics
|Niche=Electronics
|Purpose=Infra
|Purpose=Infra
|Tool=No
|Tool=No
|Location=Space
|Location=Space
|Participants=r3boot zarya Rubberduck
|Category=Infra
|Category=Infra
|Image=File:danger-high-voltage-sign-vector-6149863.jpg
|Image=File:danger-high-voltage-sign-vector-6149863.jpg
}}
}}
== Scope ==


This page is to make some investigation of the changes that could/need to be done, keeping in mind that we also would like [[Solar power]]. More the0's brainfarts over here: [[The Niz weet het]].
This page is to make some investigate and track the changes that could/need to be done or are done, keeping in mind that we also would like [[Solar power]].


== Current status ==
This page is only for the project itself, see the pages about the [[distribution board]] and [[power distribution]].
<gallery>
:File:groepenverkl_kast A.jpg|400px
Volkshuis-stoppenkastkaart.JPG
:File:Groepenverklaring_kast_b.jpg|400px
</gallery>


== Stuff that needs to happen ==
== Stuff that needs to happen ==
* <s>Replace the current [[groepenkast]]</s>
* Rebuild whole infra
* Rebuild whole infra
* Replace the current groepenkast
* Add more groups
* Add more groups
* Remove old infra
* Remove old infra
* upgrade aansluiting
* upgrade aansluiting


== Shopping list ==
== Ideas ==  
{| class="wikitable"
What do we like to achieve in the end:
|-
* One distribution board for the whole space @ grid connection point
! Product
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residual-current_device#RCBO2 RCBO] (Dutch: [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aardlekautomaat aardlekautomaat]) for every end circuit to isolate circuits for each other.
! Amount
* Replace all wiring
! Price
* New wiring in central cable tray along the length of the space
! Shop
* Go step by step, old distribution stays in place until room is remodeled
! Comments
* Upgrade to 3-phase power
|-
 
| kabel 5x2.5mm 500M of ring 100M
== Original layout ==
| ?
<gallery>
| ?
:File:groepenverkl_kast A.jpg|400px
| ?
Volkshuis-stoppenkastkaart.JPG
|-
:File:Groepenverklaring_kast_b.jpg|400px
| Kabel 3x2.5mm 500M
</gallery>
| ?
 
| ?
| ?
|-
| Abb Haf 3640 kabeldoos met schetsplaat
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Abb Haf 3640 deksel rood met normaal/wieland wcd
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Abb Haf 3640 deksel  grijs met normaal wcd
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Abb Haf 3640 deksel grijs
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Abb Haf 3640 deksel rood
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Groepenkast
| 1
| ?
| https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-moeller-wandverdeler-bp-o-144te-ip30-b600-h1060-wit-opbouw-105535
|-
| Main Switch
| 1
| 21,79
|https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-lastscheider-4p-40a-flex-1742151
|-
| overspanning security.
| 1
| 124.92
|https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-moeller-overspanningsafleider-spct2-280-4-167596
|-
| kabelgoot 200mm
| 50M
|?
|?
|-
|  scheidingschot
|50M
|?
|?
|-
| aftakstuk 200
|5
|?
|?
|-
|  eindkap  200
|6
|?
|?
|-
|  vervalkstuk 200
|2
|?
|?
|-
|
|}


== Current ==
== Original circuits ==
=== Groups kast A===
Called "groepen" in Dutch.
=== Groepen kast A===
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
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=== Groups Kast B===
=== Groepen Kast B===
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
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== New ==
== New ==
=== Groups ===
=== Circuits ===
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|-
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| What is nessary (Rubberduck has 2X16 A for it)  
| What is nessary (Rubberduck has 2X16 A for it)  
|-
|-
|}
== 3-phase power ==
Currently the space is supplied with 1-phase power. It is a 1x30A (or maybe even a 1x25A) connection. Now the [[distribution board]] is upgraded and has a 4-pole main switch (Dutch: hoofdschakelaar) it is possible to apply for an upgrade to 3-phase. This would mean an upgrade to 3x25A. The monthly fee is the same as the current 1-phase.
The upgrade needs to be applied from Liander via [https://www.mijnaansluiting.nl]. The cost is [https://www.liander.nl/-/media/files/tarieven/consument/2024/eenmalige-tarieven-stroom-2024.pdf €332,15] and is expected tot take 6 weeks. The smart meter will get replaced in the process.
== Old ideas ==
Just moved here for reference.
=== Shopping list ===
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Product
! Amount
! Price
! Shop
! Comments
|-
| kabel 5x2.5mm 100M
| 1
| 281,59
| https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/alfana-ymvk-dca-5g2-5mm2-gr-r100-ymvk5g2-5r
|
|-
| Kabel 3x2.5mm 500M
| 1
| 858
| https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/alfana-ymvk-dca-3g2-5mm2-gr-h500-ymvk3g2-5h
|-
| Abb Haf 3640 kabeldoos met schetsplaat
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Abb Haf 3640 deksel rood met normaal/wieland wcd
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Abb Haf 3640 deksel  grijs met normaal wcd
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Abb Haf 3640 deksel grijs
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Abb Haf 3640 deksel rood
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
I have made 2 different cabinet proposals.
1 with 2 columns and 1 with 1 column.
[[:File:kast_2kolom.pdf]] the 2 columns € 635.46
[[:File:kast _1kolom.pdf]] the single. € 628.89
or we can make one ourselves, see the list below
|-
| Groepenkast
| 1
| 420,36
| https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-moeller-wandverdeler-bp-o-144te-ip30-b600-h1060-wit-opbouw-105535
|-
| Main Switch
| 1
| 21,79
|https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-lastscheider-4p-40a-flex-1742151
|-
| overspanning security.
| 1
| 124,92
|https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-moeller-overspanningsafleider-spct2-280-4-167596
|-
| installatie zekering 1x16A
|15
| 13,99
| https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-moeller-installatieautomaat-pln6-c16-1n-mw-c-16a-2-polig-incl-nul-6-ka-263174
|-
| i0nstallatie zekering 2x16 A
| 2
|42,42
| https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-install-aut-6ka-2p2n-20a-b-kar-flex-1742419 for furness/solar panel
|-
| aardlek schakelaar
| 4
| 60,88
|https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-aardlekschakelaar-2p-40a-30ma-a-flex-naast-1742425
|-
| kabelgoot 200mm
| 50M
|?
|?
|-
|  scheidingschot
|50M
|?
|?
|-
|  aftakstuk 200
|5
|?
|?
|-
|  eindkap  200
|6
|?
|?
|-
|  vervalkstuk 200
|2
|?
|?
|-
|
|}
|}

Latest revision as of 10:13, 17 July 2024

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Status In progress
Niche Electronics
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This page is to make some investigate and track the changes that could/need to be done or are done, keeping in mind that we also would like Solar power.

This page is only for the project itself, see the pages about the distribution board and power distribution.

Stuff that needs to happen

  • Replace the current groepenkast
  • Rebuild whole infra
  • Add more groups
  • Remove old infra
  • upgrade aansluiting

Ideas

What do we like to achieve in the end:

  • One distribution board for the whole space @ grid connection point
  • RCBO (Dutch: aardlekautomaat) for every end circuit to isolate circuits for each other.
  • Replace all wiring
  • New wiring in central cable tray along the length of the space
  • Go step by step, old distribution stays in place until room is remodeled
  • Upgrade to 3-phase power

Original layout

  • 400px

    400px

  • Volkshuis-stoppenkastkaart.JPG
  • 400px

    400px


Original circuits

Called "groepen" in Dutch.

Groepen kast A

Name Location Description
Groep 4 Kast A Toilet groep bar 16 A
Groep 5 res.
3 fase groep voeding kast b 3x 20A afgezekerd.

Groepen Kast B

Name Location Description
Groep 1 zaal 3 zaal2 gang 1 wcd 16 A
Groep 2 res. Zaal 2 zaal3 1 wcd, gang deur makershoek zaal 1 studio
groep 3 zaal 3 bar makershoek

New

Circuits

Name Location Description
light incl. emergency light. whole space. 1
serverrack. hall. 2
Cv. installation. cv. closet. 3
Dishwasher. refrigerator incl. beer. bar. 4
Cooker bar. 6
Furness 2X16A or 3x16A 7
General Usage bar. 8
room1. room 1. 9
room 1 room1. 10
room 2 11
room 2 12
room 3 room 3. 13
room 3 room 3. 14
Maker corner 1 maker corner. 15
Solar panels rooftop 16 What is nessary (Rubberduck has 2X16 A for it)

3-phase power

Currently the space is supplied with 1-phase power. It is a 1x30A (or maybe even a 1x25A) connection. Now the distribution board is upgraded and has a 4-pole main switch (Dutch: hoofdschakelaar) it is possible to apply for an upgrade to 3-phase. This would mean an upgrade to 3x25A. The monthly fee is the same as the current 1-phase.

The upgrade needs to be applied from Liander via [1]. The cost is €332,15 and is expected tot take 6 weeks. The smart meter will get replaced in the process.

Old ideas

Just moved here for reference.

Shopping list

I have made 2 different cabinet proposals. 1 with 2 columns and 1 with 1 column. File:kast_2kolom.pdf the 2 columns € 635.46 File:kast _1kolom.pdf the single. € 628.89 or we can make one ourselves, see the list below
Product Amount Price Shop Comments
kabel 5x2.5mm 100M 1 281,59 https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/alfana-ymvk-dca-5g2-5mm2-gr-r100-ymvk5g2-5r
Kabel 3x2.5mm 500M 1 858 https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/alfana-ymvk-dca-3g2-5mm2-gr-h500-ymvk3g2-5h
Abb Haf 3640 kabeldoos met schetsplaat ? ? ?
Abb Haf 3640 deksel rood met normaal/wieland wcd ? ? ?
Abb Haf 3640 deksel grijs met normaal wcd ? ? ?
Abb Haf 3640 deksel grijs ? ? ?
Abb Haf 3640 deksel rood ? ? ?
Groepenkast 1 420,36 https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-moeller-wandverdeler-bp-o-144te-ip30-b600-h1060-wit-opbouw-105535
Main Switch 1 21,79 https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-lastscheider-4p-40a-flex-1742151
overspanning security. 1 124,92 https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-moeller-overspanningsafleider-spct2-280-4-167596
installatie zekering 1x16A 15 13,99 https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-moeller-installatieautomaat-pln6-c16-1n-mw-c-16a-2-polig-incl-nul-6-ka-263174
i0nstallatie zekering 2x16 A 2 42,42 https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-install-aut-6ka-2p2n-20a-b-kar-flex-1742419 for furness/solar panel
aardlek schakelaar 4 60,88 https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/eaton-aardlekschakelaar-2p-40a-30ma-a-flex-naast-1742425
kabelgoot 200mm 50M ? ?
scheidingschot 50M ? ?
aftakstuk 200 5 ? ?
eindkap 200 6 ? ?
vervalkstuk 200 2 ? ?
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